Comments on: Electronic Voting http://dervala.net/2004/02/28/electronic-voting/ A love letter Mon, 21 May 2012 17:18:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://dervala.net/2004/02/28/electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-513 Anonymous Tue, 02 Mar 2004 11:17:25 +0000 http://dervala.net/?p=553#comment-513 "Am I the only person to believe that the real crooks in Irish society are not in front of the tribunals but behind the benches, and representing the defendents?" As David Bowie said, you're not alone. I believe the Competition Authority is after these dudes. While I'm sure it's not your point, the army of small to middling business people who vote Fine Gael have literal fingers in literal tills as they count their licit earnings nightly. Objections to that constitute a different argument to objections to the underhand dealings which kept honest investors without our shores for so long. And objecting to them is another debate altogether. Bit of a rant on the law, voting etc. in Ireland in the comments to this post on Iraq - http://www.livingontheplanet.com/bl/archives/000091.html just scroll down. “Am I the only person to believe that the real crooks in Irish society are not in front of the tribunals but behind the benches, and representing the defendents?”

As David Bowie said, you’re not alone. I believe the Competition Authority is after these dudes. While I’m sure it’s not your point, the army of small to middling business people who vote Fine Gael have literal fingers in literal tills as they count their licit earnings nightly. Objections to that constitute a different argument to objections to the underhand dealings which kept honest investors without our shores for so long. And objecting to them is another debate altogether.

Bit of a rant on the law, voting etc. in Ireland in the comments to this post on Iraq – http://www.livingontheplanet.com/bl/archives/000091.html just scroll down.

]]> By: Christy http://dervala.net/2004/02/28/electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-512 Christy Tue, 02 Mar 2004 11:07:17 +0000 http://dervala.net/?p=553#comment-512 Some links to the issue in the US: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=452972 http://www.verifiedvoting.org/ I had no idea that other countries were being subjected to this as well. In the US, there is not a lot of hubub around it. It sounds like the Irish are more on top of things. Some links to the issue in the US:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=452972

http://www.verifiedvoting.org/

I had no idea that other countries were being subjected to this as well. In the US, there is not a lot of hubub around it. It sounds like the Irish are more on top of things.

]]> By: eoin http://dervala.net/2004/02/28/electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-511 eoin Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:19:22 +0000 http://dervala.net/?p=553#comment-511 well, it depends what "in the till" means. i would say that the people who vote for Fine Gael have their finders very much in the till, albeit legally. Am I the only person to believe that the real crooks in Irish society are not in front of the tribunals but behind the benches, and representing the defendents? well, it depends what “in the till” means. i would say that the people who vote for Fine Gael have their finders very much in the till, albeit legally.

Am I the only person to believe that the real crooks in Irish society are not in front of the tribunals but behind the benches, and representing the defendents?

]]> By: Anonymous http://dervala.net/2004/02/28/electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-510 Anonymous Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:00:59 +0000 http://dervala.net/?p=553#comment-510 One difference between Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil is that members of the former can be trusted, with one or two notable exceptions, to keep their fingers out of the till. And those who haven’t been able to were essential Fianna Fáil types born into the wrong political party. Also, there’s no pseudo socialist guff out of FG like there is from FF whose soi-disant “left wing” is fully composed of mercedes driving gombeen men.

]]> By: Darren http://dervala.net/2004/02/28/electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-509 Darren Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:52:34 +0000 http://dervala.net/?p=553#comment-509 No audit trail? Isn’t politics in Ireland corrupt enough, without providing such an easy means to right the election? Mind you, I (and everybody I asked) had a hard time citing clear, meaningful differences between Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael, so maybe nobody minds.

Regardless, every voting Irish citizen should read this article before they go to the polls:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.01/evote.html?pg=1

]]> By: Bert http://dervala.net/2004/02/28/electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-508 Bert Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:11:14 +0000 http://dervala.net/?p=553#comment-508 Dieboldt is the culprit here..along with Dubyah. Check out this little cartoon: http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/votingmachines.htm Dieboldt is the culprit here..along with Dubyah.
Check out this little cartoon:
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/votingmachines.htm

]]> By: Justin http://dervala.net/2004/02/28/electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-507 Justin Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:56:58 +0000 http://dervala.net/?p=553#comment-507 I've been involved marginally with this effort (the ICTE group). It's been very heartening to see a very technical issue get picked up by the mass media. Even better is seeing the media take up ICTE's FUD-debunking and using that to *understand* the issues -- I had feared that the issue may be too technical for people without computer know-how, but it seems not -- they're really getting it. One great new thing I noticed in this campaign, is that some of the media outlets -- NewsTalk 106, the Dublin talk radio station, for example -- are actually taking part in the online discussion and tracking that closely. It's very cool in terms of implications for online democracy. Of course, it looks like the govt are planning to steamroller this through, regardless. :( I’ve been involved marginally with this effort (the ICTE group).

It’s been very heartening to see a very technical issue get picked up by the mass media. Even better is seeing the media take up ICTE’s FUD-debunking and using that to understand the issues — I had feared that the issue may be too technical for people without computer know-how, but it seems not — they’re really getting it.

One great new thing I noticed in this campaign, is that some of the media outlets — NewsTalk 106, the Dublin talk radio station, for example — are actually taking part in the online discussion and tracking that closely. It’s very cool in terms of implications for online democracy.

Of course, it looks like the govt are planning to steamroller this through, regardless. :(

]]> By: JS Sebastian http://dervala.net/2004/02/28/electronic-voting/comment-page-1/#comment-506 JS Sebastian Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:12:54 +0000 http://dervala.net/?p=553#comment-506 Interestingly, a former Fianna Fáil General Secretary has been given €5 million to promote this nonsense. I think the “machines” are being supplied by another party hack, but I don’t like to make too allegations on an unsecure “computer” (i.e. a machine connected to the dodgynet) It’s the usual bollocks. I can’t believe there hasn’t been a revolution. Nothing has changed in the minds of these fuchs.

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